- the Explorer satellites
- the Jupiter and Jupiter-C rockets
- the Redstone rocket
- Saturn rockets
- Skylab, the world's first space station
In 1970, NASA asked Dr. von Braun to move to Washington, D.C., to head up the strategic planning effort for the government space agency. But in less than two years he decided to retire from NASA and and went to work for Fairchild Industries of Germantown, Maryland, where he met a 6th grade school teacher named Carol Rosin.
As President Eisenhower had warned about the threat of the "military-industrial complex" to America's future, Dr. Werner warned that space should be kept free from intrusion by that same military-industrial power.
Afterward, Carol Rosin has persisted for nearly thirty years in trying to carry out Dr. von Braun's request to get weapons banned from space. She is now President of the Institute for Cooperation in Space and of the Space Preservation Trust Foundation.
"To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and (by prohibiting) the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes."
In the past 30 years as Carol has worked hard to carry out Dr. von Braun's challenge to her, she has often thought of his warnings about the misuse of space and an "Enemy's List" that he said the American government was using to keep the media and public in support of Pentagon budgets.
"The message that he (Werner von Braun) was giving me continually was that we must prevent the weaponization of space from happening because otherwise the truth would never be officially acknowledged about who we were, who we are, as a human species in the universes."
Q: YOU SAID 'UNIVERSES,' PLURAL?
'Universes,' is the way he put it to me. I had never heard that term before. I thought we lived in (the only) galaxy solar system universe. But he always used the word 'universes.'
Q: AS IF HE HAD KNOWLEDGE OF OTHER UNIVERSES?
Q: DID HE TALK WITH YOU SPECIFICALLY ABOUT KNOWLEDGE OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL BIOLOGICAL ENTITIES?
Dr. von Braun would have tears in his eyes every time - and he repeated this continuously to me when he talked about us in the galaxy - he would say 'with a hundred billion stars in our galaxy alone. What would make us think that we are the only life form?'That was a very typical, repeated quote.
The other one that he would say is that he knew that we must have peace in space in order to bring the truth in. The only time he used the word, 'extraterrestrial' and 'alien' - and he did this repeatedly as well - was when he spoke to me about the formula for war. That included the fact that when I entered the industry, we were in a supposed Cold War with Russia.
He would say,'Let's start here where you are.'There are continuous wars and enemies identified in order to perpetuate these wars, always with the ultimate goal of seizing the high ground of outer space to dominate and control the minds of people on Earth so they would not be given the truth, truthful information about who we really are in the universes.
Q: WHAT WAS HIS DEFINITION OF WHAT WE REALLY ARE IN THE UNIVERSES?
Well, this is what he did not describe. I believe what was happening is that he was under threat.
- Soviet Union
That's right. He repeated this continuously. He would say that starting where I entered the industry with the supposed Russian threat, but never actually existed the Russians were made to be the enemy. Then there would be terrorists, Third World country threats, there would be an asteroid threat.
But, the real one that he was always holding off on and would say again with tears filling his eyes every time he said this to me repeatedly was that the last card they are holding is the 'alien card,' the extraterrestrial card and none of them are hostile.
'None of them are hostile. It's all a lie.'
Q: MEANING THE IMPLICATION IS THAT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, PERHAPS EVEN IN COOPERATION WITH AUTHORITIES IN RUSSIA, HAVE PLAYED A GAME OF PERPETUATING ENEMIES IN ORDER TO KEEP THE MONEY FLOWING INTO THE WAR MACHINES?
Actually he (von Braun) never implied that the Russians were part of this.
At that time, he gave me the assignment of preventing the weaponization of space.
Q: THAT WAS GERMANY AND PROJECT PAPER CLIP.
Yes, of course. I notice that even some people in the peace movement refer to von Braun and the scientists as people who started the Star Wars program (under Reagan). That's just not true. It's a lie.
Q: DID HE GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFICS ABOUT WHO IN THE UNITED STATES WOULD STAND TO GAIN THE MOST FROM PERPETUATING A GAME OF WAR FOR MONEY AND POWER?
Yes, he described it not as a blame on just a certain group.
Not just for the Pentagon, but aerospace industries, labs, universities and anyone else who has a job and makes a profit from keeping this a secret.
Except that it's not the influence of just people in the Pentagon. This is some how, as he would put it, inexorably linked to all the facets of profit-making, of so-called security and defense mechanisms, of people who just need a job to survive and pay for their kids' college education and also to keep the public stupid.
I have felt that since this happened, since I learned from the heart of von Braun, that this huge secret is being kept it has to have something to do with the 'off-planet culture,' that I call OPC phenomenon that in fact, it was so real that this man could hardly talk about this big secret and did not because of the threats to his life and probably to the lives of others who worked with him who might or might not have known.
Q: WHY DOESN'T CHINA SPEAK OUT ABOUT ETs?
I did not put all this together for many years. I was one of the people in a state of denial myself.
I'm an official adviser to China. I've talked with a lot of people over there and I feel they know the secret, but being what they consider to be the Middle Kingdom, they wait for other countries including the United States to come forward. They are not what I would call initiators of something so powerful.
Q: MEANING THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE UNITED STATES TO HOLD THAT GLOBAL PRESS CONFERENCE OF ALL CENTURIES TO SAY WE'RE NOT ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE, AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU TO EXTRATERRESTRIAL BIOLOGICAL ENTITIES?
I actually had years ago one of the (Chinese) scientists at a university tell me that that is what they were waiting for. And I said, 'Well, if you know the truth, why don't you go public with it?'
'Well we wait because we consider ourselves to be of the Middle Kingdom and we don't want to be aggressive in any way', even though (China) has been identified as one of the potential enemies against the United States.
So, I think Werner von Braun saw this back in the 1970s. He died in 1977.
– Must Prevent Weaponization of Space –
But what he always added on to his talks with me - that for years I did not say because of the ridicule factor - was this message that we must prevent the weaponization of space from happening and that the big lie is that none of them are hostile, talking about this list of potential enemies against whom we have been taught to fear and even hate - that none of them are hostile.
We are all essence and none of them are hostile haunted me for years until the early 2000s I started to learn about high level military intelligence, corporate people, who had already gone public by saying things like that, but also by emphasizing the fact that we must keep weapons out of space and that there is other life in the universe.
I'm just tuning into it myself and it has caused me to work with people around the world who want to get a Space Preservation Treaty signed and we do have a companion bill in the Congress that was introduced even before the treaty came forward by Congressman Dennis Kucinich (Dem-10th Congressional District, Ohio) and others who co-sponsored it to call for a ban on ALL space-based weapons.
In other words, our satellites that we need to verify what is in space coming in (toward Earth) and what is on Earth so we can see the Earth to reduce and eliminate missiles and nuclear weapons and other dangerous and polluting technologies on the planet.
Q: WHY DO YOU THINK ADVANCED INTELLIGENCE - ONE OR MORE OF THEM - WOULD EVEN ALLOW THE UNITED STATES OR ANY COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET TO DEVELOP WEAPONS IN SPACE?
From my information, they do not interfere. They will not, however, allow us to take our weapons and toxins into space. They will, however, let the human species do whatever it does to itself.
However, there is a possibility that they would leave if we set off nuclear bombs, nuclear technology, and/or continue with the space-based weapons program. I am moving to Ecuador now, but we have an office still in Vancouver, B. C., Canada and people I'm working with here will continue in the United States. I'll be doing it from Ecuador.
But I'm 60 years old now and I've gone through this issue for 30 years now day and night, holding as von Braun did this piece of information about this big lie that's being told - this canopy of lies that especially in the U.S. and because we keep it such a big secret here - has been kept over our heads. It's like we live behind this veil of secrecy and so many of us who know pieces of it - whether it's intuitively or by experience or by a learning process - we keep way under the radar.
Q: BUT, CAROL, IF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS ALREADY MILITARIZED SPACE OF THIS PLANET, HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY ACHIEVE A TREATY NOW TO ELIMINATE SPACE-BASED WEAPONS?
Because we have not weaponized space.
Congress in the U. S. and this Administration are not going to produce a ban on space-based weapons. In fact, the next administration might not either, UNLESS we get world leaders to sign the Space Preservation Treaty.
Q: AND IF THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN, CAROL, WHAT IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IN YOUR MIND?
In my mind, it's inevitable obliteration of the human species. I believe that is a very possible reality. I think we are very close to it, we are in grave danger from any one of a number of manmade or natural disasters that could occur.
Q: BUT CHINA, FOR EXAMPLE, IS GOING TO BE GOING TO THE MOON SHORTLY AND THE U. S. IS CONCERNED ABOUT CHINA AS A POLITICAL FORCE ON THE EARTH.
We are headed toward territorial conflicts in space and on the moon. That's the whole point of this in the earth-bound context and paradigm. But China does not want weapons in space.
Q: THAT'S WHY THE WERNER VON BRAUN STATEMENT THAT THE UNITED STATES WOULD USE AS AN ENEMY'S LIST EXTRATERRESTRIALS IS SIGNIFICANT HERE, BECAUSE WE WOULD THEN JUSTIFY SPACE-BASED WEAPONRY AGAINST EXTRATERRESTRIALS?
That we would justify space-based weapons against any country that the U. S. population and government leaders will buy into as long as that scenario holds.
By the way, everything that I've just said to you has already been proven to come true.
I couldn't believe there was a chart on the wall of potential enemies against which we were going to build space-based weapons that I and most people in the room had never even heard of. This is how these wars are planned and I went forward with that story for years.
Because there was a certain amount of money in the space-based weapons program that I was told would be in it when they were ready to pulling space-based weapons to test the next phase of weapons.
This is what they educate the public and the leaders about in order to get their next enormous budgets. Notice how in each war, if you track the weapon systems that have been used, they are aiming toward the most advanced weaponry, the most horrific weaponry, that the human species has mostly yet to imagine.
Because if you put these weapons up in geosynchronous orbit just 22,300 miles above the earth in just three spots in geosynchronous orbit, you hit the whole footprint of the entire Earth.